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                                            October 25, 1999
Prof. James M. Schombert
Department of Physics
University of Oregon, 
Eugene 
OR 97403
Dear Jim,

      Attached please find the referee's report on your manuscript
with Rakos, "Cluster Populations in A115 and A2283." I'm sorry this
took so long to get back to you, we had the standard problems of finding
a referee then dealing with vacations, etc.  The referee recommends
publication but after substantial revision and perhaps the inclusion
of the Abell 2218 data.  You might consider that, but I don't beleive
that it is absolutely necessary as long as the connection is made
correctly.

      Please upload your revised manuscript to the ApJ site and send 
me (huchra@cfa.harvard.edu) a note describing the changes or replies
you make in  response to the referee's comments.  Continue to refer to 
ApJ MS #50048.

      Thank you.

Sincerely,
John Huchra
Scientific Editor

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Referee's report on "Cluster Populations in A115 and A2283" by Rakos
et al.

To the Editor:

This manuscript describes the photometric analysis of two
moderate-redshift galaxy clusters studied using the innovative
redshifted uvby photometric system pioneered by Prof. Rakos and his
collaborators.  The observations described in the article are
potentially significant and may be of interest to studies of cluster
galaxy evolution.  The article is written in an appropriately concise
style, accomplished through the use of suitable references to
previously published work by these authors.  Although the writing is
generally clear, numerous grammatical errors are present in the
manuscript (at higher frequency than is desirable from a manuscript
featuring at least one native English speaker).  More significantly,
the present study suffers from two major problems which will require
substantial revision to the manuscript: (1) the assumption that all
the galaxies are cluster members is not justified, and in the case of
Abell 115 is clearly false; (2) the methodology used to quantify the
blue fraction of galaxies is flawed in several respects.

The first and most glaring weakness of the paper is the (unstated)
assumption that the two galaxy clusters Abell 115 and Abell 2283 are
(a) bona fide clusters of galaxies, and (b) uncontaminated by the
presence of fore- and background galaxies.  However, a skeptical
reader will be concerned that these are not "real" clusters but rather
are chance superpositions of smaller groups.  In the case of Abell
115, the skepticism is justified by two facts previously published in
a highly relevant paper (Beers et al. 1983 ApJ 264 356) of which the
present authors are possibly unaware:

1) The X-ray emission from Abell 115 is double rather than
single-peaked, suggesting that the purported cluster may actually
represent two or more superimposed groups.

2) Of 29 galaxies in the Abell 115 field with measured redshifts, 10
are found to be foreground galaxies projected onto the cluster.  This
provides conclusive evidence that foreground contamination is a
problem in Abell 115, and may force the authors to reconsider their
interpretation of Figure 6.

As noted by the authors, the dynamical state of Abell 2283 is
(apparently) virtually unknown, with only a single redshift measured
(Struble & Rood 1991).  However, this lack of data does not grant the
authors license to assume that this cluster is bona fide and
uncontaminated by foreground or background galaxies.  In the interest
of fairness, the authors must significantly revise their section 2.1
to:

(a) discuss the substantial existing evidence that Abell 115 is at
best highly contaminated and at worst a chance superposition rather
than a cluster, and the apparent lack of any strong dynamical evidence
for Abell 2283 being a bona fide cluster;

(b) present their arguments as to why these clusters should be
considered true galaxy clusters in spite of the evidence against,
based on presence of cD galaxies, radio and/or X-ray maps, spatial
distribution of galaxies, etc.

If the available evidence does not establish that the objects Abell
115 and Abell 2283 are real and uncontaminated, then the manuscript
must CLEARLY state, both at the outset and in the conclusion, that the
authors' conclusions are based on the ASSUMPTION that the objects are
bona fide clusters which lack contamination.

A second major weakness of the paper is that the technique used to
quantify the fractions of blue galaxies is flawed and certainly not
equivalent to the methods of Butcher & Oemler, to whom the paper
refers.  In their series of important papers on evolution of cluster
galaxies, Butcher & Oemler (1984 ApJ 285 426) defined the "blue"
galaxies to be those which:

1) lie within the "core" of the cluster (inner 30% of the spatial distribution)
2) exceed the rest-frame absolute magnitude limit M_V=20
3) are at least 0.2 mag bluer in rest-frame color than a
present-day E/S0 galaxy of equal absolute magnitude

The blue fraction is thus defined as the ratio of galaxies which meet
all three criteria to the number of galaxies meeting only the first
two criteria, MINUS the fraction of blue galaxies found in suitable
background samples measured using control fields in the vicinity of
each cluster.  This represents a reasonably well-defined quantity.
Although the present manuscript also measures a quantity called "f_B",
the meaning is, in fact, quite different:

1) no mention is made of having restricted the sample to those
galaxies lying in the cluster code;
2) no mention is made of having restricted the sample to those
galaxies exceeding M_V=-20;
3) no mention is made of having corrected the derived value of "f_B"
for background galaxies measured in control fields.

Given these significant differences between the criteria employed in
the two studies, it is, at best, misleading to refer to the quantity
measured in this study as "f_B".  The fact that no background
correction has apparently been made also makes the measured blue
fraction in the present work virtually useless as a diagnostic of
cluster populations.  Ideally, the authors should revise their
way of measuring f_B to coincide with the definition established by
BO84.  Otherwise, the manuscript should be revised to (1) abandon
the use of the designation "f_B" for what is obviously not a blue
fraction in the sense of BO84, (2) clearly state the important
differences noted above between the blue fraction measured here and
the blue fraction as defined by BO84, (3) measure and apply a
background correction to the blue fraction.

In addition to the two major items discussed above, several additional
items require the attention of the authors.  I discuss each section of 
the paper below.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Section 1:
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Wording: The opening paragraph reviews of the prominent role played by
rich cluster galaxies in the study of galaxy evolution, but suffers
two problems.  First, the opening line of the article overstates the
importance of photometric studies.  While it is fair to state that
purely photometric investigations have been USEFUL in the study of
cluster galaxy, most astronomers would consider morphological
investigations completed with HST and fundamental plane work involving
spectroscopy to have borne far more fruit.  Please revise.

References: Secondly, the paragraph alludes to several important areas
of study but includes not a single citation to guide the interested
reader to such work.  And although the manuscript makes numerous
references to the work of Butcher & Oemler, nowhere is any of their
work cited.  Please correct these omissions both here and elsewhere
(e.g., discussion of tidal interaction in fourth paragraph).

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Section 2.1:
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Data: Given that the Abell 115 data are of questionable value due to
uncertainties about contamination, the inclusion of more data at this
point would benefit the study.  So why not merge the Abell 2218 data
into this paper, particularly since certain data for this cluster are
employed in Figure 8?  Unless the methodology employed in studying
Abell 2218 differs significantly from the present work, it would be
preferable to avoid publishing another paper with similar presentation
and conclusions.

Completeness: The manuscript states that "objects were selected based
on detection in all four filters at the 3-sigma level."  Although this
method ensures the reality of objects, it also risks excluding objects
of extreme color from the sample.  After they have selected a limiting
magnitude for their sample, the authors should determine and report
the B-V colors at which they will begin to lose objects from the
sample.  I suspect that they will find the colors to be extreme, but
they should be reported nonetheless in order to convince the skeptic
that the detection criteria are not biasing the sample.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Section 2.2
------------------------------------------------------------------------

The good discussion of photometric classifications is appreciated.

Classes: although the manuscript emphasizes that the classification
scheme "is not morphological", it then confuses the issue by using the 
morphological designations "E/S0" and "Sp/Irr" to denote two of the
four classes.  Instead, the names of these classes should be changed
to something which more accurately reflects their status as
photometric classes (e.g., "passively evolving" and "normal star
forming") as was previously done by Couch et al. (1994). 

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Section 2.3:
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Redshifts: the authors will certainly want to revise this section to
discuss the fate of the 10 galaxies known from their redshifts to be
non-cluster members.  Whether the remaining data will be reliable
enough to prove useful must still be determined.

External errors:  The authors report "typical errors" of 0.02-0.08
mag, but do not state whether these estimates are "internal" or
"external" errors.  Given that the authors have previously studied
Abell 115, they should (1) present a plot of the color difference
vs. magnitude for all objects in common between the two studies in
order to demonstrate to the reader that the two photometric
measurements are consistent, and (2) make external estimates of the
errors based on these duplicate objects.

Reddening vector: the reddening vector referred to in the second
paragraph should be shown on the relevant figures to aid the reader.

Redshift vectors: given the likelihood of significant contamination of
the galaxy sample by foreground and background objects, the two-color
and C-M diagrams should indicate the effect on the color of changes in
redshift.  In other words, the plots should bear vectors indicating
the magnitude and direction of shift in color and magnitude for a
similar object at a redshift 0.05 less than the cluster redshift.
This will indicate to the reader the likely position of contaminant
galaxies.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Section 2.4:
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Analysis: the second paragraph states that "many of those spirals lie
blueward in bz-yz for their vz-yz colors".  Please quantify this
effect: what is the mean deviation in bz-yz and is the deviation
statistically significant?

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Section 3.2
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Analysis: The discussion of Figure 6 compares the slope of the C-M
magnitude diagrams for various clusters on a purely qualitative basis.
This does not provide any information on whether the disparities are
statistically significant.  Instead, the manuscript should include
measurements of the slopes (plus uncertainty) and use this as a basis
for interpreting the differences between the clusters.  Suitable
methods for measuring the slope are presented in Feigelson & Babu
(1992 ApJ 397 55).

Homogeneity: the authors claim that "the color-magnitude relation of
the red population varies dramatically at intermediate redshifts"
seems to fly in the face of certain other recent studies of cluster
galaxies showing remarkable homogeneity of the red E/S0 populations
out to z=1 and beyond (Schade et al. 1997, Ellis et al. 1997).  The
authors must (a) cite these other works and (b) attempt to explain the
discrepancy.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Section 3.3
------------------------------------------------------------------------

C-M interpretation: As already explained, that the blue galaxies
dominate the brightest and faintest ends of the luminosity function
can also be interpreted as evidence for foreground and background
contamination of the sample.  Please consider this possiblity when
contemplating the meaning of the data.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Section 3.4
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Undefined acronyms: In several places the manuscript uses acronyms without
first defining them.  Please explain the meaning of "SN", "RG", and
particularly "WR" when these terms are introduced.

I hesitate to critique the analysis section in greater detail at
present since the authors may desire to revise it significantly in
light of the major points described above.  I thank both the editor
and the authors for their patience in awaiting this report, and look
forward to reviewing a revised copy of the manuscript.


